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Post by Aestra on Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:09 pm

Acknowledging that PNU has filed a case against, Adara shall be unable to provide, so I shall. Now let us begin Adara are how do you plea?

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Re: Trial of PNU against Adara

Post by Countess Adara of Mataki on Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:14 pm

I'm innocent

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Post by Aav VerinHall on Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:17 pm

Your honor. The prosecution is filing charges against Justice Adara not out of spite, but out of a belief that the court system must, and should always be fair and impartial. The fact of the matter is that the defendant had expressed interest in joining the political party of Senator Xernos, and then heard a case against said senator. This shows clear bias under Article VII, section III. Justices are required by the constitution to remain impartial in all cases, but clearly, based on his wish to join the political party of Senator Xernos, Justice Adara could not be unbiased in the case. Therefore, he has violated the constitution in doing so.

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Re: Trial of PNU against Adara

Post by Eli Hesial on Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:26 pm

As said by my co-council, the charges we will be pursuing fall under the rule of Judges being impartial. Under his own words, he wished to join a political party, which he later ruled in favor of it's leader. While normally any judge, no matter what would have recused themselves from the trial, to give both sides an even chance. Under the letter of law, he committed these acts. Your Honor, we are asking that you rule in favor of the Prosecution, and set a precedent, that violating the Constitution has the gravest punishment.

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Re: Trial of PNU against Adara

Post by Aestra on Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:31 pm

I see, before we proceed DM me the evidence on discord, or post it here.

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Re: Trial of PNU against Adara

Post by Aestra on Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:07 pm

The case is called into a recession and shall be continued at a later date.

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Re: Trial of PNU against Adara

Post by Aav VerinHall on Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:29 pm

I request for a time to be negotiated between the prosecution and defense, and accepted by the court.

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Post by Aestra on Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:31 pm

Proceed

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Re: Trial of PNU against Adara

Post by Aestra on Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:58 pm

After much debate and deliberation a decision has been made and the case closed.

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Re: Trial of PNU against Adara

Post by Samsonyte on Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:15 am

Here are the court proceedings that took place on the discord between 3/18/2018 and 3/27/2018.
NOTE: All times are in PST

Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
Should we do it all in here?
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
@Countess Adara of Mataki @Eli Hesial @T.U.N Emperor Aestra @Prince Samsonyte Mataki over here
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
To do simple stuff.
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
Mmm
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
No, most of it goes on forums
this just keeps it out of #general
Adara, how do you plea?
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
Innocent
I am innocent
I've said it on both threads
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
Post that on forums then
oh, you have?
Not seeing it.....
Ah
in the pre-trial(edited)
Opening statement is almost on forums
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
Whoops
Okay now
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
Adara, what's your preferred pronoun? I ask because Aestra referred to you as a guy, but I'm not sure
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
Thought I sent it, but I didnt
I'm technically a guy but my nations leader is a girl, just say he
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
k
thanks
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
Np
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
And he is off.
Just post the opening statement.
And than I have some good questions.
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
Opening statement awaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy!
http://theundividednations.forumotion.com/t185-trial-of-pnu-against-adara#970
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Trial of PNU against Adara
Acknowledging that PNU has filed a case against, Adara shall be unable to provide, so I shall. Now let us begin Adara are how do you plea?

Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
Uhm
Actually
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
Now for the Emperor to start.
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
I said I agreed the the parties ideals, in that they served the emperor and only the emperor and I stated that expressly when that conversation happened
I also said, I can't join parties because I am a justice
And I've said that many a times since
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
Yet you still ruled on the case with Xernos
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
Including to you guys
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
The fact is, you should have recused yourself
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
And let whom do it?
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
You should have let Boople rule on the case
Or Aestra
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
I honestly think that I was the best choice for the case
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
ANYONE but yourself.
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
But after expressing a clear interest in the party of the defendant, you opened yourself up to charges on this matter
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
Can I do a second opening statement for a more IRL legal one?
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
Sure
That was my statement
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
I look at cases based off of evidence alone, you say this has nothing to do with spite but the fact of the matter is that your party was friendly and trying to recruit me until you lost that case and then your party was generally hostile towards me, however I have overlooked this as much as I can in my attempts, and might I say success, in being impartial
If agreeing with the idea of supporting our ruling monarch is wrong...
Then maybe we should all talk with the emperor about it
Prince Samsonyte Mataki - 03/18/2018
you cant agree with any ideology
no matter what it is
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
The case isn't about you. It's about setting an example of what happens if you violate the constitution. You violated the constitution. Ergo, you are being charged
I'll be on forums
I need to get off my laptop for a while. If you need to reach me, use the forum PM system or TG me on Aav Vasentius. Eli will continue the trial, with Sam to help. I'll pop in on the thread, and clarify occasionally
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
Can you cite where I violated it?
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
Yeah
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
Please do
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
Article 7, section 3
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
The sections aren't real clear on my phone
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
Justices are required to remain impartial at all times
Should've quoted in the forum post....
Anyways
I'm leaving discord
Otherwise my sanity will be gone
well, what little that remains
@Eli Hesial You've got this
Run with it
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
@T.U.N Emperor Aestra Can we just do questioning on Discord to save time?
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
I'm off till the emperor is here
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
He is here.
Look at it.
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
@Eli Hesial That's what he said that we would do
I'll read it all later
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - 03/18/2018
Im here
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
Eli will be running the case on discord
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
Can I begin my questioning?
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
I have to save the remnants of my sanity.
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
Good call.
Prince Aav VerinHall~Mataki - 03/18/2018
Thank you
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - 03/18/2018
Posted
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
Countess, did you or did you not rule on PNU versus Xernos?
This is yes or no,
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
Yes I did
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
Did you or did you not show interest in joining Xernos party?
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
I did not
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
Than, this quote is not from you, dated many months ago?
Xernos - 12/19/2017
We stand for absolute monarch, and value caste like system and believe people should have restricted rights
T.U.N A.O.J Boople - 12/19/2017
wants to join
Xernos - 12/19/2017
Lol
Countess Adara of Mataki - 12/19/2017
Same
Would you like a picture as well?
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
No, I would like people to understand when people are having fun and joking around
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
That is your answer.
So, you, in official stance said same to and I quote here. "wants to join"?
Yes or no will suffice.
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
I have stated multiple times that I CANNOT join a party for reason of staying impartial, but members of your party have said otherwise
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
But, showing signs of WISHING to join a party shows a slight bias, does it not?
Countess Adara of Mataki - 03/18/2018
I do not have to answer yes and no to questions to support you and only you, that is just getting your side as you want it, showing signs of supporting an ideology, not a person
This was not a trail on the party
But in the person
Trial*
Eli Hesial - 03/18/2018
You wanted to join said person's party though.

T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:03 PM
From what I can see this is all boiling down from the word "same" and I do see how this may be an indicator of interest or favorability towards the party. Although it is my believe Adara and Xeros weren't in favor of each other. Just Adara supported the party views although I could be entirely wrong.
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:03 PM
No you are completely correct(edited)
Seeing as the view was to support you fully
And I try to continue to do so
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:04 PM
You have been supported of a strong government which is why I am leaning towards this, although Eli please do further elaborate.
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:05 PM
So following a parties exact views and than preside over the leader's trial. I am sorry but how does not show impartialness?
Following a parties EXACT views normally shows you want to join
Also, Your Honor, a party does not have just a single view.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:06 PM
Yes I see this, but showing interest in a party and a leader of said party are different things, but she may have been in favor of them for having similar views.
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:06 PM
Still, showing favor to a party shows some favor to the person who created it.
In this case, Xernos.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:06 PM
This one had around three if I remember
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:07 PM
Just because they were not good friends does not mean that she cannot favor.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:07 PM
That is a logical assumption
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:07 PM
So, if she favored a party, she than favored the creator most likely, meaning she was not impartial.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:07 PM
What laws are you accusing him of have broken?
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:08 PM
Modern day violation on the Constitution, as you cannot be charged with violating laws removed.
Thus meaning, all fighting of it being not in the old Constitution is not relevant to this trial.
2. The justices are required to remain impartial in all cases of judgement.
Exact charge^
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:09 PM
I...I was impartial
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:09 PM
If you favored a party, is it not logical to think you favored the creator?
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:10 PM
It is, but I didn't
Soooo
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:10 PM
It was not law at the time meaning it shall not be a legal case.
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:10 PM
How so?
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:10 PM
People are not charged for new laws

Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:11 PM
A violation of the Constitution under the review is not allowed?
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:11 PM
They applied from the moment they were posted till the moment they are demoted.
Hm?
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:11 PM
I reviewed the case.
I saw it was bias, and when reading the laws, I saw you canot be bias.
cannot*
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:11 PM
What?
You reviewed the case, and then?
Saw it was bias and read laws saying you cannot be?
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:12 PM
I asked if bias was illegal, and upon checking the Constitution, we noticed that it violated it,
Yes, me and I believe either Samson or Aav were looking
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:13 PM
Yes it violates the new constitution
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:13 PM
Which, is the current law.
And under no way does any law say a crime committed before this cannot be charged under it.
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:13 PM
Your Honor, do you see a reason to continue this case?
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:14 PM
A crime can only be charged once investigated and evidence has been provided.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:14 PM
Yes, but we wont charge people for past crimes. Say for example speech became illegal I wouldn't punish everyone who used it, only the ones who did it form that point in
And it must go on till both parties are content
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:14 PM
And when it was done under the new law, it was illegal.
I will speak with my fellow Chairs on what we want to do.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:16 PM
I see, that would be the equivalent to making a law to punish a certain persons . Also are both parties requesting the case to be adjourned again?
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:16 PM
I want it done asap
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:16 PM
Reviewing with my fellow chairs on this matter Your Honor.
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:16 PM
Now if possible
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:17 PM
Ah alright
(I was thinking on calling on an outside force a friend of mine, current president of spirtus to review the case case and get his opinion on it which would heavily influence my own.)
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:18 PM
If you'd like to I suppose
Prince Samsonyte Mataki - Yesterday at 3:22 PM
Here's my 2 cents
Whether it's a joke or not does not matter
There is sufficient evidence to convince him
And anyone could claim anything is a joke, effectively making then immune to the law
If she had said it was a joke at the time it would be different
But he didn't
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:24 PM
Read above we've been over this
Prince Samsonyte Mataki - Yesterday at 3:24 PM
I don't have time
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:25 PM
Its important to have context you( said yourself our last debate) or you wont know what to combat against
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:27 PM
@Eli Hesial you done yet?
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:27 PM
He isn't
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:27 PM
Waiting for the two fellows chairs to do something.
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:27 PM
O
Okie
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:30 PM
Seeing as this is a public accusation(I forget what they are called when a citizen charges another but the state does not) I am ok with an out of court resolution. Just putting that out there
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:31 PM
That is what I am trying to convince the fellow chairs to do.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:31 PM
Hm?
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:32 PM
Trying to do a settlement, hopefully.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:32 PM
Ah
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:52 PM
Countess.
Would you like to reach a settlement?
@Countess Adara of Mataki
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:53 PM
Wat
What's the settlement?
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:53 PM
Three weeks as not being Justice.
Pretty much take a probation.
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:54 PM
And what if there is a case in that time?
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:54 PM
It will either go to the Emperor like this one, or a acting justice appointed by both you and the Emperor.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:55 PM
^
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:55 PM
...three weeks? What about two?
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:55 PM
I am saying three weeks due to two being too short in my eyes, and four being too long.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:55 PM
Two weeks is a long time inTUN time
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:56 PM
Two does not give you time to pretty much figure out why this happened, and how it can be done differently.
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:56 PM
Yeah
I don't...fine
Fine
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:56 PM
Still am new here, so if the Emperor says two weeks is long, I will listen to him.
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:56 PM
Fine
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:56 PM
I will go to two weeks
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:56 PM
Ok
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:56 PM
What is the final agreement so I may make the announcement
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:56 PM
Two weeks, emperor is that okay with you?
Eli Hesial - Yesterday at 3:56 PM
Two week probation.
T.U.N Emperor Aestra - Yesterday at 3:57 PM
Yeah, and ok
Countess Adara of Mataki - Yesterday at 3:57 PM
Ok then, fine

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